Actually, nobody is keeping you from doing that can flip... you can go right ahead and do it... but if you do then there will open season on your arse... and personally I find that very fun indeed.

But I guess its a bit like the remove local discussion... removing local from nullsec would introduce real risk, and the people crying the hardest about that are usually the ones calling the people that wants to be rid of local cowards... yet they display in every way that the biggest chickens of the bunch are themselves... same here... the ones crying the hardest here are the ones that suddely have to face actual risk and concequence of their actions.

I welcome crimewatch even if I wont be around to see it in action :p

I don't know whether that is true or not. I heard talk of RR getting flagged when greyscale was talking about crimewatch.

they are hardly "chopping peoples heads off" for stealing "candy". They could just concord you for can flipping you know? Way to take things to ridiculous extremes, it really helps your argument.

- Currently miner or mission runner can't do much to protect themselves against you.
- Can flipping always leads to pvp encounter. And pirate always wins.
- Pirate has the upper hand always.

This guy gets it. This is the reality. Anyone who thinks the victim has all advantage and that there is much risk in can flipping is clearly a moron.

So, you think untanked Hulk can win against 600k EHP Damnation? Yes, I know Damnation's dps is bad, but not that bad...

To all the people touting that all the miner/missioner has to do is go dock and ship up, how often does the flipper really wait for this to happen? I wager the majority, note, I didn't say all, of flippers in this situation will warp away, especially if a real combat ship comes back.

The fact is, while the miner/missioner has the ability and the right to shoot back, if they are like my industry alt, they are trained for fitting and flying industrial ships, and science and manufacturing. He really has nothing to ship up to.

So again to all you high-sec PvPer's, and for this instance I am really using that term loosely, how about this for a solution, as minor as the crime may be you did STEAL from a person, this is a crime, and should be punishable. I agree Joe Blow back at the station who never saw a thing shouldn't be able to shoot you, but how is this, everyone on grid who witnessed the event can shoot.

There is no GCC or any of that, but hired mercs, friends, and allies will have the ability to protect each other and shoot you, should they be on hand to witness the crime. Now a non-combat pilot can hire help and have friends to watch his back. Corps who specialize in industry can hire mercs to guard their mining operations, etc. etc. There is no reason that people should have to be in the same corporation to protect each other.

Do you know that cloaks mess up your targeting? Even force recons have targeting delay -> pirate warps away.
If miner warps off and returns in pvp ship pirate usually warps away if he see combat ship in d-scan and switches to ship that can kill [insert ship here].

Lol, and I'm not worried about losing something if can flipper is around. I like to waste their time. I'm quite good at it.

- Miner warps to station
- Miner undocks in Caracal and warps back to belt/grav
- Pirate uses d-scan and picks up Caracal on scan
- Pirate warps to safespot/station and switches to Tengu

You probably already know how that will continue.

Why do you think Caracal has even a small chance against Tengu?

Every 2 month old newb can fly one. Why would pirates be any different?

Smart miner wouldn't undock in Tengu...

Pirate in Tengu can always tank miner in Tengu even with equal skills.

I think it is amazing, that all these canflippers cannot back their claims of targetting only bitter vets, by posting on their Canflipping chars.

Only one has posted on a canflipper and guess what. The victim was a month old. Now what did the canflipper fly I hear you cry? of all things, he was flying an Ishkur.

I'm coming into the thread because I'm bothered by the fact that people are ignoring the real issue.

What?

Quoted for truth.

Changes to sentries, and flag mechanics, will seperate the crap PVPer from the good. The Pro-scanning, "hunting you down and killing you" elite, from the "sitting on a gate blasting everything" noobs, and the "can-flipping and suicide ganking" cowards. All those crappy pvp-wannabies threatening to unsub, please, go ahead. Your selfish flow of easy kills have finally been recognised as something that is harming eve's continued growth and development. Your quest for easy, risk-free kills has made low-sec a wasteland.

Eve is not a game where things are delivered on a silver platter. I aplaud the real PVPers, confident and experienced enough to adapt to these changes, and continue to own all that stand before them. They have already learned how to actually PVP. They recognise the duel benifits on increased low-sec traffic, and are excited to see this wasteland become viable again. They want people in low-sec, they want to see them explode. They aren't crying about the fact that they won't be able to shoot them the moment the step through the door. They're aren't crying that their easy risk-free methods and one-sided fights are about to disappear. They know they're is going to be more targets, and they know how to find them.

The only people crying are the skill-less players that are used to their risk-free ganks, and cowardly camps. If their target didn't just come to them, as usuall, then they wouldn't have a clue what to do. Other than whine and unsub of course.

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no, hes right, it was just a shot in the dark. And nobody is painting with a broad brush here. We are obviously talking about a very specific group of pirates, the ones that do all their "pvp" in high sec. You don't have a reason to get butthurt unless you are one of them. Solstice project seems like the only real pvper in this thread.

if you don't have the mental capacity to debate and understand simple concepts, you should not post.

its not noob level pvp, its what awful players who suck at pvp do to noobs without any threat of retaliation. The cowards choice.

Why would a miner be a coward?
There's thousands and thousands who have loves SCI FI movies including those where people build their own empires or handle industrial ships.

Anyone recalls the latest Star Trek? The Romulans were piloting a massively huge mining barge...

I know being on the "peaceful, worlds builders side" might be unappealing for many players but for many it is and they don't deserve the title of coward.